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Welcome to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates, where leaders find the insights, advice, and encouragement they need to lead courageously.
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Welcome back to the show.
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It's such an honor you decided to spend a few minutes with us here today.
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And I'm really excited about what you're going to hear and even see today.
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Because on today's episode, we have Brandi Stansbury Moody.
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She was born and raised in California, went to college at Newark University, and has been a lifelong marketer in the food and beverage industry.
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You're going to ask yourself, what does Brandy have to do with law enforcement leadership?
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Well, she just so happens to be the granddaughter of one of the most legacy-driven men that we've talked about here on the show and in our articles, Rudy DeLeon, former LA police commander.
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And Brandy reached out to us when we published that article.
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And I said, Listen, we ought to tell these stories to our audience.
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And she's been uh very open and honest, and she's wanted to come on the show and talk to you today.
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And I think it's going to be really exciting.
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Brandi, how are you doing today?
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I'm great.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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So I want to just sort of take you back.
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I mean, you obviously had a pretty unique childhood, and your grandfather was just sort of an icon among men there in the Los Angeles area.
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But uh so we'll get into all that.
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But when you found the article, I don't know how you found it, sort of talk to us about your feelings or emotions and what made you reach out to us.
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Okay, well, first of all, I'm uh kind of a geek when it comes to my family, and I actually have a Google Alert set up.
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Um by the way, for a lot of cops listening, I don't recommend that.
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Just don't don't don't know any of that stuff, right?
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But okay, go ahead, Brandy.
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Well, I I have to say I have a Google alert set up for myself as well.
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And I I've actually read your article about like um uh like your you know keeping track of like your you know what people your reputation and whatnot.
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So highly recommend you might want to set up a Google Alert.
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But I had a Google Alert set up, so that came through.
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And um, there's six of us grandkids, um, my mom and my uncle, who are both the children of my grandpa and grandma.
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Um, there's six of us that are really close, um, consider us like brother and sister relationships.
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We grew up really close together.
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So we have a cousins group text, and you know, I put that out on the group text, and and we were just overjoyed.
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You know, we love, we know all these stories.
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Um, we always piece them back together.
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You know, it's been a while since my grandfather passed away.
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So it's always nice to keep to hear them keep, you know, proliferating and keep uh, you know, to he keep sorry, to keep hearing people talk about him.
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Um and that was just really great.
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So to see it, and then just to see the pictures, you know.
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You, you know, people pass away, and then you're like, oh my gosh, there's my grandpa.
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So it was really over it was really overwhelming, and um, it was really kind of a light in the last couple of months for our family to to see that.
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So, you know, we really thank you for for publishing that.
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And yes, it's a Google alert.
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So that's how I found it.
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Yeah, I mean, we've published those kind of things.
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We never know where it's gonna go, where it's gonna be.
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That article actually went pretty far.
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I I heard from the head of the LAPD police union.
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I think I heard from a guy in the Hispanic Coalition, I think I heard from a couple of family members.
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Uh, yeah, so it was pretty cool, and and uh we didn't know that, but it was published from the heart.
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And obviously, I have a history about Rudy Day Leon.
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And I think I think kind of to set the stage and the foundation we're about to talk about.
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Uh, we want to we want you to show you this video if you're watching this and you can listen to the audio.
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This is an excerpt from our training, courageous leadership.
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So uh here we go.
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You gotta remind yourself of that.
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We talk about legacy, that's Rudy De Leon, Captain Los Angeles Police Department, passed away in 2010.
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You've never heard of Rudy Day Leon.
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I have never met Rudy Day Leon, but I'm only standing in front of you because of Rudy De Leon.
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My father grew up in Torrance, California.
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And I don't have a lot of specifics, but home life was not always optimal.
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Father in and out.
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Right.
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And Rudy DeLon went to high school.
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My my father went to high school with Rudy DeLon's daughter.
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And him and his group of friends and her group of friends, they would end up where Rudy de Leon was.
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And I think they were just using the daughter to get to Rudy DeLeon because Rudy de Leon was then at the time a sergeant with the Los Angeles Police Department, and they just they just embraced who Rudy De Leon was.
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Rudy De Leon would spend time with these kids and invest in these kids and tell these kids stories, and they were just enamored by him.
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I'll tell you the type of leader Rudy de Leon was.
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Joseph Wombaugh passed away, the most famous police author out there.
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If you haven't heard of him, look him up.
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Centurions, Onionfield, they made Hollywood movies with him.
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But his first three bestsellers, he was a Los Angeles police officer.
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He was still on the streets.
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And he started writing these books and they blew up.
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And of course, anyone that has tried to do something outside your job and something goes starts getting some traction, you would expect, yeah, Womball started getting some some flack from the admin.
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What what's what's he doing?
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They come to Daily On, goes to Womball, work for Daily On, and they go, hey, this Wombaugh, now you gotta get this guy in check.
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And Daily Lawn goes, You can just take that back to your office because he shows up for 40 hours a week, he does a great job, but he does all of this off-duty.
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Now, Womball had to eventually retire with like 12 years on because he became so famous, people were like calling L.A.P.D.
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going, send Joseph out.
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Yeah, so it just wasn't working out for him.
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But at the time he was the biggest of the big.
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In fact, all the when you look at police movies and police shows, Womball influenced all that, right?
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It was no longer just the facts, man, man.
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We got to the real nitty-gritty through his writings.
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De Leon was Iwo Jima.
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He told these stories to these kids and he spent time with these kids.
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My father would have never become a police officer without Rudy De Leon.
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His best friend would have never become a police officer without Rudy DeLon.
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I likely would not be standing here without Rudy DeLion, influencing my father to make my father who he was, who then made me who I was.
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You understand how legacy works.
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Rudy DeLon doesn't know any of this.
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No, obviously he impacted thousands.
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He started the POW program, he started the boxing program, he impacted thousands of kids.
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There are Olympic gold medal winners from 84 that Rudy DeLon mentored.
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But he has no idea of this story.
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Right?
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His name's not up in lights.
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No, he didn't name a station after him.
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He was the first uh Latino commander, LAPD, and he's very well known there.
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But you don't know him.
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But his profession from coast to coast has been influenced in some way or another by Rudy DeLyon.
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Rudy DeLon's son became a police officer and spent 37 years there.
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My dad's best friend spent 40 years in law enforcement.
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His son, who is my friend growing up, is still at LAPD.
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All of that legacy from Rudy DeLyon, who was here, if if he could be here, would probably tell you, he would probably point to somebody else that influenced him.
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You have that opportunity in the job and out the job.
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Okay, Brandy, we're back.
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And and obviously Rudy's story plays a prominent role uh in the leadership training we do.
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You don't know this, but that's actually the last section of the day.
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I sort of build things up and I want people to remember things at the end of the day.
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People remember things at the early day and the last day.
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But we we tell Rudy's story, then my father's story is the last two stories of the day.
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So it's obviously it's a prominent, he's a prominent figure in leadership training.
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And of course, you grew up around this, and I guess maybe you thought it was normal, but obviously Rudy was different.
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Uh, you know, I can't imagine being uh minority in the 60s, you know, and and having to work his way through that.
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He was I believe he was the first Hispanic commander, so a lot of first back then, unfortunately, right?
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It took us a long time to have first in law enforcement.
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We're still working towards that.
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Uh, just as a as a as a child, I mean, what was your thoughts about that as you saw this playing out live?
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Well, there's a certain duality, right?
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Because like my grandpa was really larger than life.
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Like, like you have no idea.
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I mean, you do have an idea, but you can imagine as like a child, it really was like a larger-than-life person in my world.
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So everything about him was really special.
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Like he had a secret knock at our door, which in hindsight was um a safety issue, right?
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It was like a very, very like police thing, right?
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Like my grandpa had a secret knock that became our family secret knock so that you knew that uh that wasn't a stranger and that was your family member, which I kind of laugh now, but it's like our secret family knock.
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Um and I cannot tell you enough about how like well loved my grandpa was, but not just from like a um, you know, from a law enforcement and from like an industry, so to speak, perspective, but there was a certain kind of magneticism that my grandpa had in the community that was really um special.
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So, you know, you'd go anywhere with my grandpa, and you know, like all the city officials would know him, and you know, police and law enforcement would know him, but then like the shopkeepers would know him, and he would know them on a personal level.
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He would know, you know, oh, how's your son?
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Oh, how's your house?
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And he would know all these special stories.
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And, you know, looking back, that really, you know, you talk a lot about legacy, and that made an impression on my cousins and I and my siblings in a way that is insurmountable.
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You know, it's it's one of those things where, you know, you don't you don't know at the time that like this is making an impression on me, but then you realize how you've led your life and wow, this is like exactly, you know, whether or not, I mean, he was doing this, you know, he was led by example at all times.
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But really, that was really something that was so cool.
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Like, you know, you go to like, I remember we go to like um a restaurant.
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There was a restaurant in East LA that we'd always go to called La Paria.
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And like he knew every single person there, like the bus boy, this, that.
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And then he'd be meeting there with like, you know, someone really important from like LAPD.
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And that just makes an impression on you as a kid to really pay attention, you know, to be mindful and know who everyone is around you.
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And I think that's really important.
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Um so that was something that always really stuck with me through life, you know, seeing not just like how popular my grandpa was, but like how he was able to connect with everybody on like a deeply personal level.
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Um, I think that was that was also super cool.
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And, you know, and in terms of like, you know, being a minority and living in these like two different worlds, um, you know, for obviously I don't present Mexican.
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There's a lot of um, like, you know, my dad's family is white.
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But I always kind of viewed it as my grandpa's superpower a little bit, like this ability to speak Spanish.
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Like I remember when we were kids, my grandma and grandpa used to take us a lot of places, and my mom would always laugh because we came back from riding with grandpa in his car, and we were like, Mom, did you know that grandpa's radio speaks in Spanish?
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Like we were like blown away, and then he would teach us songs in Spanish.
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And later, like in life, like I'm fluent in Spanish now, and I feel like it's a superpower, and that's something where again it goes back into like connecting with community, um, where I always kind of just learn by example with him, where the more you could connect with people, be it through language or just talking, you know, the more powerful that was in building your community.
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I think it's so powerful.
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You said so much there.
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I want to unpack it a little bit.
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So, what I heard from you is there's no question that uh Captain De Leon had charisma.
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We talk about charisma a lot in leadership.
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I mean, you can almost look at his photograph and you know he's got charisma.
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And so that is that's exuberant.
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But it takes more than charisma.
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We have a lot of leaders of the charisma that are not great leaders or kind of some evil maniacs if you be quite honest about it.
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But that but he had not only the charisma, but he had the investment in people.
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I mean, those people don't know him uh because he didn't pour and pour into them.
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He's spending hours meeting them, greeting them, talking to them about family.
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I mean, the the time that he had to have spent with all of these individuals for them to years later know who he is and talk and be able to come up to him is I think something that's missing in leadership today, Brandy.
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And I want to I want you to speak to that.
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So you obviously saw the output of that and the outcome of that, but this would have been tremendous work for him because you know you have a choice in law enforcement, you have a choice in any job.
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You can just go to work, keep your head down, do your job, go home.
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Nobody's gonna ask you to go out and meet all the community people, nobody's gonna ask you to know everybody's names, nobody's gonna ask you to know to spend time with people.
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It's not part of the job description, unfortunately.
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He decided to do that, and I have to think it was his roots, it was the communities he was in because he lived in this community, he policed in this community.
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Do you think law enforcement's missing out on sort of this what Rudy youth did?
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I mean, this was before we had this term community policing and all these fancy programs and all these leadership programs, he just did it.
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And and and I think we were we got to be careful here because it makes it may come across like this was just natural for him.
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And I can guarantee you there were days he didn't want to invest this much into people.
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He was tired, busy, whatever, but he did it anyway.
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And and obviously you as a child saw that output, which is tremendous.
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What do you do you think that that's missing today?
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Do you still see that same level today in law enforcement?
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And just cut, you know, nationwide.
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I mean, I think our whole country needs to hear this, not just law enforcement.
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No, I I don't see it as much.
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I mean, you know, I live in Silicon Valley, so I'm don't see it a lot in leadership here either.
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But um I don't see it as much, I don't see like a genuine kind of excitement around learning about people.
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I mean, I know our families always had it, and I know that you know, like it didn't, it comes naturally to my grandpa, like it came naturally to him because we have a huge family.
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Like he's one of five.
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And then of those five, they all had kids, and our cousin network is huge.
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So there was this kind of baked-in, like, we gotta get to all know each other kind of thing.
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And I feel like there's not this genuine interest in getting to know people as much anymore.
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And I'd say that the the thing that really kind of, you know, and it wasn't with my grandpa, it wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna sit down and just chat with you.
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Like a lot of times it was active.
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Like one of my favorite stories is I was an adult and I was in a restaurant in Oakland, and I was sitting at a table next to Jerry Brown, um, who at the time was the governor, or maybe it just been the government's just the next government.
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Yeah, I think he was the governor and he wasn't the governor.
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I think maybe it's a governor again.
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He did it a couple times, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I was sitting next to Jerry Brown, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna say something, you know, because he knows my grandpa from like parole board days.
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And um, so I did, and Jerry Brown was like, Oh my god, I loved your grandpa.
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We used to go jogging together, and Jerry Brown's wife was like, You jogged.
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And so that was like kind of funny, and we all had a laugh, but you know, he to the point where it was like, you know, it wasn't just like sitting down, it's like, well, let's find like an activity to do together and do it together.
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You know, it goes back to like the boxing and the police athletic league and that kind of stuff.
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Like, where can we meet together in an activity that will not just like keep us active and be positive, like from like a physical but almost break the barriers down, break the communication barriers down.
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Totally.
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So I think that's also like a really important aspect.
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I mean, my mom was a park director, my mom Rudy's daughter, and that was kind of her vibe too, where it was like everything was like, you know, let's do a game, let's do this, like, and I think that's missing in a lot of um communities.
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I mean, I know that's been important for me when building community, where you know, I moved to this neighborhood 10 years ago.
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I didn't know anybody.
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And to be honest, like it wasn't very an inviting neighborhood, but then we started having block parties and we all got to know each other and we hang out all the time now.
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And from like a from like a community safety standpoint, like we don't we like call each other when some we think something's going on, you know, we have this kind of um bond, and you know, we've really created a sense of community here because we just talk to each other, we we you know have barbecues and we do things like that.
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And I think, you know, obviously that's something that's part of my legacy, but I do think that's something that's missing is just this like, let's hang out, you know, let's go for a jog, let's play baseball, let's, you know, I used to play a lot of racquetball with my grandpa, so yeah.
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Yeah, you know, I mean, you I think you just described probably the biggest divide in America today.
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It's not politics, it's not ideas, it's not opinions.
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I think we all have much more in common than not, but it's the fact we don't take time to get to know each other, right?
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And uh you you mentioned jogging, and I had an interesting comment uh after this article hit.
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Captain LAPD Captain Anthony Espinoza called me and he said, I used to go jogging with Captain Rudy DeLeon and my father, Bobby Espinoza, who was with LAPD, uh, when I was a kid.
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And and uh I don't know, I mean maybe it was in his teen years, but he said that I guess every Sunday they would jog together.
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And Bobby and Rudy had been long since retired, but they would still show up and jog together.
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And and I and Anthony described that, of course, he's the very successful LAPD commander now, and I have to think, and he knows this, that Rudy DeLeon laid the ground groundwork for that.
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Uh so just I know you heard the video earlier if you're listening, but my father and Bobby Espinoza are friends.
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I mentioned this because my father was quick to tell me that he wants to be he wants to know when this podcast drops.
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He him and Bobby want to know when the podcast drops.
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So they were friends in high school and they were friends with Rudy's daughter in high school.
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And who was that again?
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My mom.
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Yeah, your mom.
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Uh, I'm sorry, I've got the I got the generational tree messed up here.
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No, no, it's okay.
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It's funny.
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Yeah.
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And and they and that they would go out and hang out at your mom's house and sort of as a ruse to get to talk to Rudy.
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And Rudy would well, I tell you, I know I choke up, but I keep talking about a class.
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I'm sitting here doing it right now because it's amazing to me as a father or as a former police commander that that you would just stop and take the time with your child's friends and just pour into them, right?
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Because you because here's how it works, Brandy.
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You spend if you do this leadership thing, right?
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You're spending all day doing that.
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You're pouring into your officers, you're pouring to your community, you're investing in people.
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When you come home, it's probably the last thing that Rudy wanted to do.
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And then he and then my father has all these memories of just him telling all these stories.
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I don't think it's I don't think it's a coincidence that that your father that that Rudy was uh in the military, World War II.
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My father and Bobby went to Vietnam military.
