Nov. 18, 2025

How Artificial Intelligence Can Help Leaders

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Send us a text We explore how AI can strengthen or weaken policing, why prompts and ethics matter, and where automation crosses the line from helpful to harmful. We share practical steps leaders can use today and warn against replacing human judgment with black boxes. • three tiers of AI use: convenience, automation, agents • ethical prompting, master prompts and sourcing • automation that accelerates contact, not replaces it • dangers of AI-written reports and lost investigative detail • ba...

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We explore how AI can strengthen or weaken policing, why prompts and ethics matter, and where automation crosses the line from helpful to harmful. We share practical steps leaders can use today and warn against replacing human judgment with black boxes.

• three tiers of AI use: convenience, automation, agents
• ethical prompting, master prompts and sourcing
• automation that accelerates contact, not replaces it
• dangers of AI-written reports and lost investigative detail
• bad data, weaker crime analysis and planning blind spots
• tech stacks that don’t reduce crime
• culture, initiative and the 2020 training gap
• practical on-ramps for leaders and teams

Reach out to Roland Clee at www.commandstaffconsulting.com and book his "Ethical AI Leadership Labs."

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Chapters

00:00 - Welcome And Guest Background

02:20 - Writing, Substack, And Mission

06:34 - Defining AI Tiers And Ethical Use

12:21 - Prompt Mastery And Guardrails

17:45 - Everyday Automations And Agents

22:10 - AI In Law Enforcement Records

26:05 - Risks Of Automated Reporting

31:40 - Data Quality, Crime Analysis, And Blind Spots

37:20 - Tech Stacks vs. Crime Reduction

Transcript

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Welcome to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates, where leaders find the insights, advice, and encouragement they need to lead courageously.

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Welcome back to the show.

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It's such an honor you decided to spend a few minutes with us here today.

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And I have on today's show one of the brightest minds in law enforcement.

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This is going to be a treat for you.

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You're all familiar with Roland Klee.

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Hopefully, you're following him.

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Hopefully, if you're reading his writings, and he's been on the show before.

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But Roland Clee, welcome back, sir.

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How are you?

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Yeah, I'm doing fantastic.

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Thanks for having me on.

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Well, Roland, just to bring our audience up to speed, give us the quick synopsis on your background.

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Make it quick because they all know you anyway.

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And then we'll get into some of the things we really want to talk about today.

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Because I will promise you, if you've just now tuned in, this will not be a waste of your time.

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You need to spend the next 30 or 40 minutes listening to what this man has to say.

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So, Roland, how did you gear today from your career there in Florida?

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Yeah, my first job I applied for outside uh after graduating the University of Central Florida was the uh Orlando Police Department.

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Data Posting.

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And so I graduated December 93, uh, August 1st, 1994.

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I'm in the police academy.

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I'm in the police academy to become a community service officer, not a police officer.

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And um people say, well, what why why that?

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Why then?

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And uh during the 94 crime bill, I mean I guess I was uh a ripple effect hire of the 94 crime bill.

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Yeah, you're one of what, 100,000.

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I was on the job.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I I had to kind of backfill, and it was uh but they sent me to uh instructor schools, and I wound up um spending a great deal of time with uh all of the sworn personnel from all shift because I was working with our aid service training unit.

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So I developed relationships with 100% of the sworn officers in the agency.

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And of course, you know, in the training environment, when we're beating up one another with sticks and we're shooting one another with ammunition, it's a bonding experience.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So um, you know, when uh I got uh promoted to CID, I was in homicide on patrol one day and a homicide the next day.

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And then uh a few years later in 2009, that the chief tapped me to come up and join Chief Staff, where uh we addressed uh violent crime concerns for back in uh 2008 there was a real peaking peak in crime.

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So they set up a special office for for myself and the lieutenant, and then um I really got to do some amazing things there, but it really brought me behind the curtain.

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You know, I pulled pulled back the screen, uh, that that curtain in the uh Emerald City, and I got to see the the true oz was there.

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Yeah, and uh that includes um yeah, some of these major professional organizations for for law enforcement, and I couldn't help but um feel that some things they were teaching um that the leaders that they were breeding were not of the same caliber as past generations, that they were bringing people up that were just going for they wanted they wanted the title on leader, but they didn't want the job leader, they didn't want to do the work of leading.

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And so and you know, my my position was a little uh confusing to to my peers, and they would ask me, what do you do?

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Well, the chief sent me anywhere everywhere, and I had to write to the chief and tell him when we had a bunch of crooks, yeah, that we have a bunch of crooks without making a public record and saying that I was calling these people a bunch of crooks.

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So I really I quickly figured out that I was writing for a living, and then um it was my dream to be writing in retirement.

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And that that dream came true in February 2023, and um American Peace also has become very popular and it's opened so many doors for me, and it's allowed me to travel all over the country and uh most recently to Washington DC and to um and to Tennessee.

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So um it's been this awesome experience where I've been able to rub shoulders with some of the truly truly great people like you.

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Well, that's I we we met early on, and that was one of the first things you said to me is I'm gonna write for a living.

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That's my dream.

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I'm gonna do it.

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And to someone that loves to write, you know, God has given me that skill as He's blessed you with.

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I never once thought I could get away with writing for a living because I didn't believe it.

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But you were the first guy I met that went, This is what I'm going to do.

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And it's been amazing, man.

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In fact, I don't know if you know this, Roland, but my subscription just renewed with the American Peace Officer.

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I pay secretly, I pay annually for that.

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I listen, folks, I don't know.

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I mean, it's well, it's it's not much money.

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So everybody listen to this.

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You you need to go subscribe to that.

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Yeah, you're gonna get to go subscribe for free and get some of the stuff, but you are missing out on really challenging yourself, challenging your ideas, challenging you as a leader.

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If you don't give, you know, I I mean, I don't want to give the price.

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I think I just got charged 75 bucks.

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So if that's what everybody is, maybe you maybe that's the Travis still rolling, but that's what it is for everybody.

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Uh that you're ridiculous if you're not going to spend a little money like that to get the knowledge that you're providing.

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So it's it's I'm in awe that you you basically had that attitude because attitude's everything, right?

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This is what I'm going to do, and here we are a few years later, still talking.

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This is what you're doing.

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So before we get going today and get rolling, thank you for that.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you, thank you.

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And um, I I spread some bread upon the water also, or there are at least four or five uh self-stacks that I do personally subscribe to, also.

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So when I'm asking people to subscribe, I'm not asking them to do anything that uh I wouldn't do myself.

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And when I was in DC, I didn't see it personally, but in Union Station, they had a uh one of those digital billboards, and it said that media is not dead, it's on Substack, and that's the that's a fact.

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We're we're seeing uh the rise of Substack, but then witnesses and participants in it.

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So um it's where you're gonna find that great writing in the future.

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Yeah, and the one thing beneficial is is you've done a lot for me because I'm on Substack, and you know, a lot of people have found me through you.

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I hope that I can send people to you.

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So there's a huge, huge community that I think is really helpful.

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And and Roland, you've written about some just fantastic topics this year.

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It's one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on, uh, but I wanted to get right down to it is I'm infatuated with your stance on AI and your knowledge in AI.

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Everybody seems to have an opinion on that.

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But you know, you you've taken a pretty deep dive into artificial intelligence and how it's going to affect not only the world but the law enforcement community.

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I'll just sort of just open this up and say, how did you get into that?

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What if what have you found out early on?

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And then you know, we'll go from there.

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Well, I think I got blocky.

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I found the right avenue when I decided to sit down and study and learn something about AI.

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And I wanted to do it ethically, and I wanted to do it by leading myself well.

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And instead of AI doing the simple stuff, uh the silly stuff, the honestly, if you if you're using AI and you feel like you're cheating, you are.

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That's that's a fact.

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Uh and um my my goal, you know, when I do a leadership lab and I sit sit down with people and and we and we go through the process of prompting and the ideas that you have to have.

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Uh the idea isn't to geek out, the idea is to get uh AI smart and figure out the different the different tiers of AI.

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And you know, when when we're doing tier one, which is write me an email.

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These are my these are what I this is what I have in the refrigerator what am I making for dinner?

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That is that is fun.

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And I mean we we have that to to use it.

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Um, but in in tier two, we have automation.

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Well, Roland, back back us up.

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You're talking tier one, tier two.

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Take us back to junior high school, kind of explain what all that is.

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Are you training people in this?

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Are you writing about this?

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So I feel like I jumped to the noon in the classroom and I missed a little bit.

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So just back us up a little bit because I think we have to expect that most people listening, including myself, know very little about this.

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We know, hey, uh, hey, Chat GPT, turn this picture into a cartoon.

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Ha ha ha ha.

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Well, that's not really where the power is.

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So kind of back us up and lead us there if you don't mind.

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Well, I was amazed by the power of AI.

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I think my first AI creation was a multi-start on a skateboard.

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And that's kind of hand of air with the with the gap in the gun.

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So um, but tier one is when we're we're using it as a convenience I and uh and that's that's where most people are, and and that's where people really start their conversations to talk about this.

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Is something wonderful that I was able to do with AI.

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But I yeah, if we're just using AI to replace ourselves, if we're using it to supplant us, well then you know we're we're getting a poor poor version of that.

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And we're able to spot today, probably not in the future, we're able to spot today when people uh have written a whole article in AI.

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I mean, you're reading this thing, and it looks like it looks like a very poor cultures to uh trying to get a word count and with all all the you know rhetoric and and empty words in there.

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But you know, when we use AI the right way, when we use it ethically, we we use it to to lead ourselves better, we're using AI uh as like a step ladder to reach a light bulb.

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We're still the one you turning turning the light bulb, but we never want we never would have gotten to that height without that ladder, right?

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Yeah, no, I I think you're right on track, and and obviously we we've started in the first sort of stage of AI with prompts and having the right prompts, and now we have AI agents that are actually doing things.

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Um, and I learned early on that the prompting was everything.

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In fact, uh I'm just gonna show I'm just gonna sprinkle this in while while we talk today.

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One of the prompts that I've been using lately, and people need to understand this whatever you're using, whether it's Chat GPT or Gemini or for perplexity or whatever it is, uh, it's sort of coded to be your friend, right?

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Because it wants you to keep coming back.

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And so you have to be very careful with that.

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It will literally agree with you like you're on a first date with somebody.

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And so uh one of my favorite prompts that I've been using lately is uh I'll read it to you.

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You're my ruthless mentor.

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Do not sugarcoat anything.

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If this idea is trash or nonsense, you need to call it that and tell it why.

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Your job is to test everything I say until it's bulletproof.

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And let me tell you, you get a different response when you give when you put that up front, don't you?

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100%.

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And uh one of the instructors that I followed is Dan Martel, who taught me how to do uh do a master prompt.

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And it it was a 45-minute process that went by like it was 30 seconds.

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And what I did was I told um my AI that who I was and what my goals were and what my guardrails were.

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And I I said, you know, I need everything, everything that you give to me, I need it sourced.

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And anything that you hear from me, it needs to be direct and it needs to be true.

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So that was some, and also I said there's nothing um that I alert to the public with off-color language.

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Everything that I have it is absent of any type of coarse language or or profanity or anything like that.

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So um doing a master prompt and saying, my goal is to increase the amount of subscribers for American Peace Software.

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My goal is to get more clients for command staff consulting, and it knows that.

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And and this is a prompt that I can drop in, my master prompt on any of the AIs, as as you well know.

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It just I don't keep a lot of stuff on my desktop, but I keep it on my desktop, and you know, whenever I'm using a new model or anything, I'm able to drag it in.

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What I found uh just at the very basic tier one level of prompting is especially with Chat GPT 5, is first I if I give it a job title and I give it an assignment and I say, This is you, you are my five-star um website designer.

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You are the best at this.

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And I need a great great product.

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I need to think deeply, and I need I need the results.

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I need you to double check everything before you give it to me.

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And it has just changed the results on what I get back.

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And my my business partner in the um in the consulting realm, he can't believe it because he and I can request the same the same exact thing from AI, but it's the way you ask it.

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Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing.

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And I'll just give you some other cheat codes.

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And it's I said it's not even brushing the surface, but uh using AI to sort of help you and assist you uh make things easier.

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Uh I'll give you a quick example.

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I am in the business of shopping for a brand new MacBook Pro.

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That's right, ladies and gentlemen.

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I'm going big time here.

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Uh I've got a little MacBook Air, it's what I'm on right now.

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But you know, it's a older, older model.

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And I've just been talking to my wife.

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My background, I I can't buy anything without thinking about it for a couple of years.

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I don't like spending money.

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So, but I am I am in the deep research of which MacBook do I get and what's the screen size and what's the this so I just have Chat GPT, or actually, I just have an AI.

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It's searching for me every day for the lowest prices, right?

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Yeah, so it just it just will ping me every because I know Black Friday's coming up, and it's gonna it's it pings me for the best prices, and you know, it's something as simple as I need guttering on my house.

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So hey, I asked this, hey, I need you to look at all these local companies and look at the reviews and see what the goods and the bad, and and it just so it's you know, I think for me it's taken the place of search engines a lot.

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It takes it where it saves a lot of time.

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And more recently, and I'll let you speak because you're the expert here, Roland.

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Is is I took my wife, it was our 30th anniversary, and uh, we had this big long elaborate trip.

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We've been planning for about 10 years, and as life would happen.

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Uh, we had to go on a quick weekend trip to Vegas instead.

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And she wanted to go to a Raiders game.

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I don't hold that against her.

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You know, I've been married to a woman for a long time and she's raised my kids, but she's a Raiders fan, believe it or not.

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And so once again, I don't like spending money.

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And so I uh I had the the AI is just a check every day for these tickets, but because my wife is uh, you know, highfalutin, she's got it set in the lower section.

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So I need you to tell me when these tickets hit below $200.

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And lo and behold, four hours before the game, it prompted me and said, here it is, it's hit below $200.

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You better buy now.

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So, yeah, there's some fun things to do, but when it comes to law enforcement specifically, we're in this stage where we're hit being hit with everything, right?

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Where do you see this going in law enforcement?

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Obviously, I think everybody knows the report writing and the documents and the thing, and just the collect, you know, the records keeping.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous.

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If people don't know this, you can go into um I'll just talk about Chat GPT because and I don't know if it's the paid version or non-paid version, but you can upload Adobe documents and then it can search those documents real time.

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So you may have a 500-page PDF policy, right?

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And you don't have to just go to the table of contents and find out where the policy is, you can just type in a keyword and it will just go and pull it for you.

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And that that gets away from the problems with Chat GPT if you let it go to the open source internet.

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Who knows what answer it may give you?

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But if you feed it your own information, it's feeding you back your own information.

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And so uh I can I could see that already happened in law enforcement where you don't need a cabillion dollar record system anymore.

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You just feed it into this sort of LMS and it feeds everything back to you.

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But where do you see it going, Roland?

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Well, I'm very concerned about the automated report writing, and I just think that we're we're gonna get to the point where people are ordering a report on AI the same way that you order burger at checkers now.

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They don't you don't talk to a human at checkers when you're when you're getting a burger and fries anymore.

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You you talk to an AI because it does a better job and you it gets more more accurate results.

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No one's throwing their hoax back at the at the clerks anymore.

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But um with with that, you know, we the application of the tools, such as the report writing tool, um I I still feel like it's gonna uh cause a lot of shortcuts in investigation.

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And we're not doing enough investigating as this.

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You know, when we went to uh online reporting, we did tell people that we didn't really care anymore.

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We didn't care about their stolen toaster or there's stolen their stolen lawn or and that has been one of the key things that has caused violent crime to rise in in our country and in our cities, especially, is when when we tell people that you know we're we're not going to be investigating this, even if you report it, they're not gonna report it unless they think they're gonna get some money back up from their insurance company.

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They're like, if if if we're not gonna spend our time on it, they're not gonna waste their time uh documenting it.

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So now we've got bad data going in.

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The only um our friend Keith Graves, he says that the only reliable um police reporting statistic that you can trust is auto theft.

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Because people have to report their cars told in order to either get their car back or get the money from the insurance company.

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So we have told people for for far too long, and you know, in in the culture, I imagine it's in the culture nationwide.

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So far, it's in the culture of most of the uh law enforcement organizations that I've been a part of, is that you have some people that are very interested in proactive policing, and then you have some people also who aren't going to do anything unless uh unless dispatch tells them to do something.

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But the AI thing is geared towards our people more uh more those with less initiative.

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Well, and they don't need to have their jobs made any easier.

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And and some of the the research out there is saying, and they did this with with school age kids, is is they broke up into control groups, and the kids that use AI have less critical thinking than the kids that don't.

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And so obviously, we live in a society where there's less critical thinking anyway.

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And those of you who don't know what that is, yeah, back in the day, Roland, like 20 years ago, we used to actually think and then make a decision.

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Today it's all seems to be made for us.

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But you know, you look at you look at AI and you have, and as someone that uses it, you're probably like me, you have to really caution yourself because it gets very easy to let AI do all the thinking if you're not careful, and you have to have guardrails, and I think you and I understand that, but just like everything else that's out there, not everybody's gonna understand that.

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And you know, it got me to think of what you just said.

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Let's just be honest about it.

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We went to telephone report calls because of staffing issues and other responsibilities in law enforcement.

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We didn't have that when everybody has to call in a burglary report or an auto theft report and there's no suspect information, most departments say we're not even gonna send a policeman out there.

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You just call this phone number.

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They usually have an officer at a desk and they take the report and they sit turn it into just for insurance.

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Now, I've never liked that.

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I always thought that was ridiculous.

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I thought if you're a taxpaying citizen, um, if you call 911, you should get a police officer at your door in a nice little uniform saying, How can we help you, sir?

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How can we help you, man?

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Well, we left that a long time ago.

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But you know where this is going to take us now.

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Now, they're not even going to call and talk to somebody, it's going to be prompted by an AI that's going to ask them what's the crime type.

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You're going to say it, then it's going to give them a list of questions.

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The citizen's going to answer the questions, and the AI is going to write the report.

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That in fact, it's probably it's probably already there.

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I just, I mean, I guarantee you, it's already there.

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And we are, and so we're getting we're going to get further and further away from the human element, and then that's going to give these agencies an excuse to do even less, is what you talked about.

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Well, we don't need to staff up full.

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We're down 20% now in staffing.

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We'll just make it up doing this, doing that.

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And so we're going to have to have the parameters in place to keep that from happening.

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Um, and so where do you see the line between good and bad?

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Obviously, uh, there's the good things that AI can do for the profession, but there's some very bad things that we're already sort of seeing.

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Where do you see that line being drawn?

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Well, I wouldn't want to be uh in the business of crime analysis right now because you're gonna get canned.

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And when we're when we're doing uh automating the report process to the point where people don't even bother reporting, well, now we don't have crime data.

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We have zero crime data.

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So this is going to be where you know we're not gonna have the uh we're not gonna have the data to plan and direct officers.

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You know, we used to do that.

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We used to put pins on the map on the wall and say, yeah, this looks like a crime spike over here.

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Let's go ahead and address that.

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And then the intelligence that we would gather out of that, we would stop murders from happening.

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We would get get involved, we'd wind up being able to be safer for the officers because you know we'd be able to tell all the ships that left he carries the knife, right?

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But now that we're not making that human contact, that we're not bothering with uh with getting out there, we're wasting everyone's time, including including the police's time, and then we're buying these things, and we're buying layer upon layer upon layer of AI that we already have.

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We we we have it in some form, uh some better forms, and some worse forms.

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Or we're buying our demand uh systems on top of one another, and we're thinking we're solving our staffing uh crisis with that.

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We're not doing that at all.

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What we need is to get back to the basics of policing and get out there.

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It was never a matter of how much the lawnmower cost as far as the impact of society.

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You know, you would think, Roland, with the technology we have, and I'm gonna I'll take everybody back 20, 30 years.

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We would come into the precinct.

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Now, those that maybe not familiar with the profession, 15 minutes before work, you actually would show up 15 minutes before work.

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We wouldn't even get paid, but we just thought it was normal.

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And we would all sit at a table before the shift, and the sergeant or the lieutenant or captain would pass around pieces of paper.

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I know this sounds crazy.

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They'd pass around pieces of paper, and they would have, you know, here's what's happened in the last 24 hours, here's sort of the hot spots of crime, here's the bad guys we're looking for, here's some outstanding warrants, here's the cars that have been stolen.

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We'd all take that paper and we'd go to our car and we'd be on the hunt.

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Now, nowadays there is no paper.

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You show up to work, you don't even have to get out of your car, you pull your computer up, and you've got 150 emails from the day before, so you don't really even read them, even though there may be some important ones in there.

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Uh, you mix in all the mobile data stuff that's on your computer, and you go to work.

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Why?

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How is it that crime was reduced to record lows in the non-technology days of the 90s?

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And here we have everything at our disposable, every resource and all the information we have.

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And crime is while it's ticked down since 2020, it hasn't come close to the record level lows of the 90s and early 2000s.

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I see that as a a trend that no one seems to be concerned about.

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That we have all of these different technology resources from block cameras that can read license plates to automatic tickets and all the technology.

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But crime, which is our major, that's our that's our success metric, is crime going down or up?

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No one seems to care about the crime rolling.

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That the fact that we're using all of this technology and crime is not being significantly reduced.

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Now, I don't think there's any other profession that can get away with that.

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If you were Apple and you were making new devices and efficiency was worse, you would not be making those devices.

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But we keep throwing technology upon technology upon technology, crime's not being affected, and we keep looking for the next best flavor of the month and buying the next thing.

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Are you seeing the same thing I'm seeing?

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Because it makes sense to me that if this technology is actually built for the good of our profession, it should be attacking what our profession is about, which is crime.

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And I don't see that happening.

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I don't see that happening either.

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I agree with you 100%.

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Is just think about how bad crime would be if we didn't have licensed plate readers.

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Right.

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Yeah, I mean that this is the thing, you know, our all these things that have come, and we're not dealing with uh a comp do you remember Mad Magazine Spy versus Spy?

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We're not dealing with Spy versus Spy here.

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Our our criminals are not growing in intelligence the way that our uh our systems are becoming more sophisticated.

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They're they're just not.

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The crime is is um plateaued, but it's just increased to such a degree that uh, and you know it's increased to such a degree because of neglect, because we're not answering calls, because we're not doing the basic policing.

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And now we're we're we keep getting ourselves in a worse and worse situation as far as being able to even assess where we are.

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And just just like I was telling you, we can't figure out how to address crime with bad data.

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I mean, if everyone wants to say we're we're data driven by uh uh police chief.

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He says, I want I want every officer to have the the best technology at their fingertips.

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Well we have that, right?

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And things just keep getting worse because we're not addressing the the core issues, which are you know gathering the intelligence on on the ground?

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There's no substitute for that.

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So so could the answer be that whether we like it or not, policing is a is is is humans.

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Policing is a subjective thing that has to come from the ability of police officers, not from these computer elements.

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How many times were you out on a call and you thought it was a nothing call, just a lost dog call or something?

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And then they because your car is in, the neighbor comes up and wants to talk to you about something.

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Hey, this house down the street.

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They keep having cars coming and going.

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I don't know who to tell it.

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I don't know what what you can do about it.

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Well, we know what we can do about it.

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Right.

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We know what we can do about it.

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We're about to we're about to become officer in the mud because we're about to let DV know, and and they're gonna do trash polls, and we're gonna we're gonna write warrants and they're gonna they're gonna do wiretap investigations, and we're we're gonna identify all the people that are um coming and going, and we're gonna follow them where wherever else they go, and then we're gonna arrest them all.

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And it's gonna be great.

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We're gonna arrest thir 30 people just because you know cars are coming and going at at one house.

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Yeah, we we used to do that.

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Well, the thing that's concerning is you and I can think back and and tell and talk about this.

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But in 10 years, there won't be a cop on the street that can think can think back to when we used to do it that way, and the and the way it will be done is the way we're talking about.

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So if you're hiring, if a kid is 15 years old right now and he's gonna be a cop in 10 years, he's not gonna have any idea what we're talking about because in his whole life he was using AI, his entire high school, college becoming.

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I mean, my kid is applying for jobs and he's going to AI before the interview, and AI is feeding him answers on what they may ask him and how he's gonna respond to it.

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Right now, there's nothing wrong with that because he has to go in there as a person and answer the questions, but he's using AI as assistance with that.

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Where back in the day, I used to have to call three or four buddies up and go, what do you guys think about this?

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You know, and uh and that I would be, and by the way, I'd be better prepared than just some computer model telling me.

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So we're losing that aspect, and just like so we want to complain about police leadership now.

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We're complaining about leaders that grew up in our day in time where they they know what they're doing is wrong, but hey, in 20 years, 10, 20 years, they're just doing what that's always been done.

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So they're gonna call us dinosaurs, Rowan.

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And meanwhile, there seems to be no assemblance or reality that crime is the actual target here, not whatever fancy gadget you have.

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What you what you said at the very beginning of that was uh the actual mission statement of American Peace Officer from day one, which is that we do need to let um this rising generation know that policing did exist.

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And it was it was a proud profession, and it was a profession that was built on doing um things to protect your community.

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And when I was um in my last days before retirement, we were telling cops not to be proactive.

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We have people in field training, and we're they're basically learning to do nothing.

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And I mean, how do you how do you get over that?

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You know that you're gonna have you.

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you're gonna have four or five uh academy classes that basically learn nothing except uh avoid avoid work and in that and that bubble so one of our friends uh he says I don't trust a cop who was higher enough in 2020 he calls them covet cops and he's right because what what did we do as a culture in from 2020 to 2023 is we we told people to stand down meanwhile you know our city's burned yeah you know you you think about that and it's it's actually scary for me Roland because uh a police officer's career is dictated in the first 24 months they wear a uniform the people they're around the work ethic they see it's almost like a baby you know the first 10 years of a kid's life will dictate the rest of their life with their environment and the things they observe and man you are right about that I mean I I think about my my ideology of policing it was so dictated by the the great men and women that I was around as a 22, 23 year old kid and I watched how they did the job.

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And so when you bring someone on the job the first three years and say don't do anything good luck getting them to ever do anything.

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But that becomes the culture and that just can't stand.

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I mean we we have to do something and we do see lingers and we have to encourage um yeah and it's great to be a part of this community of like minded law enforcement professionals who don't want the traditions to um to come up back in my day back in the day son you know we don't want it to be um the way things were we have we have true value on um on the processes of the profession that we're abandoning it it's it's like um you know doctors that decided well I'm gonna hang up the stethoscope and we're not gonna check people's blood pressure anymore we're not even gonna weigh them we you wouldn't be able to get away with that in any other industry except law enforcement yeah and just to prove that just to prove that I I I've said this on multiple podcasts go to Google and type in police chief fired for high crime you won't find I was just about to mention I was just about to point you to you about you won't find it yeah you won't find it you literally won't find it and that is all you need to know about the state of criminal justice law enforcement and safety in America today you actually will get fired for dealing with high crime in some of these cities.

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And that's happened and I've I've documented it we've seen it and uh one example that happened uh a long time ago was uh officer stood up for his uh one of chief stood up in uh Rochester New York when they have a guy and you know who who does that this guy was being uh honored for doing what we would hope every police chief would do right right right so yeah cowardice courage courage uh can multiply but cowardice breeds like like ants man it it's people find out real quick if I just stay in this lane and stay do and do this then I'll be okay and man we have way too much of that rolling so if someone's listening to this and they've they've they've they've had their interest peaked in AI or they don't you know maybe they play around with it but they're not sure what would you recommend they do if they really wanted to see the power in this and helping to be a better leader be a better person whatever it is because obviously there's a lot of there's a lot of traps in there if you go to Instagram or Facebook everybody out there telling you going to be a gazillionaire do this do that so there's a lot of traps out there for people what what would be the first thing you'd recommend to them try to find somebody who's uh who's credible who speaks your language who doesn't want to try to teach you everything about ai but try to um protect you from making poor procurement decisions when it comes to AI AI is going to be on the box of everything that we buy and your IT guy is not going to be able to help you with that he's going to say well we should buy this because it's got AI in it.

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We've already got AI yeah what we have the hardest what what AI we have and you're you're talking about buying these multiple multiple layers I think that people if people spend an hour with with uh you know a good consultant or a good instructor and they left knowing how to prompt them both in their professional and their personal lives if they left knowing what LL means and if they left knowing what and were able to say what GPT stands for then we would be miles and miles ahead but you know to be able to use it as a tool and I was talking about the different tiers the the second tier automation without automation what this has done is this has been it's free and it's democratized it where anybody can use it.

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It used to be McDonald's had automation we didn't have automation.

00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:34.639
An example of automation is a soda machine you have the machine you put it in your corners you press the button a whole soda comes out well now everybody has the ability to to build a uh a process like that and then even above that and this will be the ever growing category of tier three is with AI agents AI agents are going to become virtual employees that uh make decisions before they present you with what they've with with what they've uh accumulated.

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You Google um where where to get Raiders tickets you just Google it through through a search engine you're gonna have that but the AI agent is going to be able to CERN and uh make decisions and three R some results and make sure that you get you get the best results.

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So you know I I think that we we need to get people to a higher level where I don't want them to stop doing what they're doing with AI but I want them to understand the power of it to the degree that they do feel a little bit guilty when they put in a list of the groceries in the refrigerator and ask it to what they forget.

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Yeah a couple other cool stories and this is has nothing to do with actually making it powerful but I was in the middle of nowhere Mississippi driving back from teaching a class and I was just having an anchor in for barbecue you know now people that know me know that if I go to a new town I'm looking for either the best pizza place or the best barbecue place and you're gonna get burned if you go to the tourist stops.

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You want to go where the locals are so I'm driving in the middle of nowhere Mississippi and I just go to I go to my Chat GPT because if you had on your phone you can just talk to it.

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It will talk back.

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It's kind of crazy and I said hey I didn't even tell them where I was I go because they know where you are they it's your phone they know where you are I said you see where I'm going you see the direction I'm going I need you to look in the next hundred mile radius you know and I in the in the prompts everything is I said I need to make sure this barbecue is like Texas style barbecue I need to know what's a local place.

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I need to know what the real reviews say not the trip advisor paid reviews I need to know what real people say and this thing just popped up a place about 20 miles away and said go here.

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And it was dead on it was per it was awesome food right so there is some fun things you can do with it but I I am extremely concerned about some of the damage it can do and I think it's a behoove all of us as leaders to be on the lookout for that.

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Amen AI I can't agree with you more but I am offering I'm I'm just gonna make a quick plug here I am offering uh AI uh ethical leadership labs and they they have to be in person because you need to have everybody on the device in in this in a certain area with enough bandwidth to be able to really teach us but yeah that is something that I'm I'm offering on the command staff consulting website right now I hope uh if anybody's really interested it's it's suited for management retreats and it's suited it's like um I took Earth science it was a science for non-science majors that's what that's what I think they is missing in this world is you know get somebody to be able to have a conversation with you about artificial intelligence for your agency for your law firm for your accounting firm without getting over overly technical telling what telling everything that you can use in the next hour.

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Well I I recommend everybody to get involved in this Roland so so give us the website where they can find out about this training and then after you do that I've got another thing I want you to consider.

00:38:40.639 --> 00:39:05.280
Thank you it's gonna be at um www dot commandstaffconsulting dot com and right at the top it'll be there's a banner for um ethical ai leadership labs and you're able to book me right on the spot there I have a I have a calendar booking thing and you can um make a 50% payment and uh have that collected right right there on the on the website too.

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So you're only seconds away from being able to you got to do it and I know I know what you're saying Roland is it's got to be in person.

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I think you should go into your AI friend there and you need to go help me make this where everybody can access this online and uh develop that so the world can all experience what you're talking about.

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Absolutely.

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Roland Clee thank you so much man this has been fascinating I feel like we just sort of just just touched the surface of this crazy crazy topic but we'll have you back on as this develops and keep our audience informed.

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Thank you so much for being here and for everything that you do.

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And thank you so much.

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